Scott Lapin (00:08.318)
Hey everybody, welcome to this episode of After the Well. And today I have my new friend, Kim Cannon on here. And I'm excited about this conversation because I only know very little about Kim, but I think she's spunky and sassy and I love her personality and her attitude. And I got to spend a little time with her a couple of weeks ago at a leadership summit that I went to and she...
told some stories and share some of her heart. And then I got really excited about having this podcast interview. So Kim, hi. Oh, you're welcome. I'm glad you said yes and we got to work this out.
Kim Cannon (00:46.978)
Hello. Thanks for having me.
Scott Lapin (00:54.026)
um that you could come on tell us a little bit about yourself because i really don't know a lot about you other than just what you shared and little tidbits that i've heard here and there i know you've got two girls and two boys and you're an engineer that's about all i know
Kim Cannon (01:06.378)
Yes. So growing up, I was pretty much a leader, but didn't realize I was a leader because I was silent so often. So walking through my journey, I realized somewhere along the way, I said, Hey, I want to be a teacher when I grew up. And I was discouraged from that. And my mom encouraged me to become an engineer. So that was the path that I was on. I really didn't know what it meant. I'm just gonna I'm gonna be an engineer.
Scott Lapin (01:17.662)
Okay.
Kim Cannon (01:36.614)
As I continued on that journey and I realized, oh, the expectations, women don't do engineering. So here I am, I want to fit everything, I mean, wants to fit, but I don't fit. I don't fit anywhere, right? All men, all of my classes, I'm one of very few women in the classes, work through that, realize that through schooling, I had...
my children. So I got married at age 20. I had my son when we went back to school. He was nine months old. So I did not have the traditional college days. A little bit about my history as well. So I grew up Catholic and in eighth grade I walked away. I walked away from the faith. I was like, nope, this isn't for me. Never thought I'd step foot in church again. And I was just focused on becoming that career woman. And I am going to do what I want to do.
Scott Lapin (02:18.91)
Okay.
Scott Lapin (02:31.766)
So what was it about not throwing any shade on any denomination or whatever, but what was it about Catholicism that you just you walked away from? What was it what was missing for you?
Kim Cannon (02:42.502)
Yeah, yeah, so for me, the experience that I had, my dad grew up in a Catholic school. My mom did not have that same background, so she didn't have that same, you know, faith belief. So for her, there was some tension in some of the things that they had encountered. One example, birth control. They had a family, four kids, couldn't really afford to feed the family that
receive some negative experiences because they were wanting to use birth control and that as a belief that the Catholic didn't believe. So for her, you know, it was kind of we would go on Sundays every now and again, Christmas, Easter, we weren't living it. So for me, recognizing that like my mom doesn't even like it, why would I go? Like why should I like it?
Scott Lapin (03:14.46)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (03:19.331)
Yeah.
Scott Lapin (03:31.59)
Okay.
Scott Lapin (03:38.577)
Why am I gonna bother, right? Yeah.
Kim Cannon (03:40.85)
Right, so for me she always said, you know, once you're confirmed, it's your choice. You know, it's your faith walk, it's your choice. And so I saw it as graduation from the church, which is really crazy because I always pictured myself as being a nun. Like when I was super little, I had the heart. I had Jesus, but I didn't have the terminology. I didn't have, I remember in kindergarten being in one of the Sunday schools and I felt Jesus hug me. Like I
Scott Lapin (04:10.455)
Oh, that's cool.
Kim Cannon (04:11.41)
Yeah, and so then afterward, I told my mom, Hey, Jesus hugged me today. And she's just looked at me like, that doesn't happen. And so I was like, Oh, okay, well, then I didn't have a hug. But you know, like I physically felt and so walking away, I think a huge encounter that I had was my eighth grade year, where
Scott Lapin (04:17.094)
Bless your heart. Wow.
Kim Cannon (04:37.838)
I lost my virginity at age 13, and I saw myself as unworthy. And I don't belong. Like there's no way I could ever be a nun now because I'm damaged goods, right? So that took on a whole different trajectory in my life where promiscuity entered in. And I felt very judged. Because even though...
Scott Lapin (04:44.71)
Hmm.
Scott Lapin (04:53.737)
Mm.
Kim Cannon (05:06.85)
people weren't judging me, people didn't know this about me. Like there was just something that I was carrying, there was so much guilt and shame and at such a young age, right? So that happened probably right before I was confirmed. And there was just this trajectory of very, I was very lost and I was looking for my identity everywhere else of like, who am I supposed to be? You know, and everybody put that identity of, you're a slut now. So that's like, oh, that's who I am, right?
Scott Lapin (05:12.583)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (05:36.268)
Yeah.
Kim Cannon (05:37.026)
living that out in my day to day and just in the party scene.
Scott Lapin (05:42.47)
Wow, it's 13, 14, 15, man, you're, I mean, like the woman at the well, there's literally zero history on this woman, like none. She existed nowhere until her conversation with Jesus. And yet,
Kim Cannon (05:53.902)
Hmm.
Scott Lapin (06:01.006)
All the messages, when we think about the messages that we've heard that, you know, she was a prostitute, which is why she was at the well at noon, because she didn't want to put up with the slander of other people. I'm like, that is not even biblical. It's nowhere in scripture. And it's sad that how a lot of our lives are ruled by what other people say about us, the lies that we believe.
Kim Cannon (06:25.632)
It's so true.
Scott Lapin (06:28.358)
that other people say and that's hard as a 13 year old. So be as vulnerable as you want to. Was losing your virginity, was that a choice for you? Were you like okay?
Kim Cannon (06:38.146)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Cannon (06:45.042)
Not really. So it was a boyfriend that I had and I used to go to his house after school and I remember like his parents weren't home yet. I was so trusting but it happened and I remember laying there wanting to like say no. Like I was so frozen. You learn about in trauma there's different reactions. You could fight, freeze, right? I was in the freeze and I was like
Scott Lapin (06:55.28)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (07:06.308)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (07:11.238)
Hmm.
Kim Cannon (07:11.974)
wanting to say no, but then there was even a part of me that was like if I say no, he's gonna break up with me. Like that so wanting to belong to somebody was so deep within me. That even and the crazy thing is so after this happens, he goes to school tells everybody about what happened. I get this label and then he breaks up with me because I'm a slut.
Scott Lapin (07:17.539)
Yeah.
Scott Lapin (07:24.921)
Yeah.
Scott Lapin (07:31.745)
Bruh.
Scott Lapin (07:38.414)
Let's go find this guy right now and kick his ass. Let's do it. Let's create a girl gang. Oh, we can forgive and see him. No.
Kim Cannon (07:44.569)
I have fully forgiven.
Kim Cannon (07:49.954)
But yeah, so just like, and it's hard enough to be in middle school, right? So all of this happens, I'm dealing with all of this. And I was like, oh, so confused. Didn't really have anybody to talk to. I knew that like my parents wouldn't understand. I had one good girlfriend that we talked about stuff, but she's of no help. She's the same age, right? So I think that was probably a huge turning point in why I had walked away from God.
Scott Lapin (07:54.243)
Yeah.
Scott Lapin (08:05.97)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (08:14.089)
Right?
Kim Cannon (08:19.798)
because of the shame that I was feeling from all of that.
Scott Lapin (08:22.398)
Hmm. Yeah. Yeah, that was my next question. Where where was God in all of this for you? But I mean, and not necessarily throwing shade on denominations or whatever, but the church doesn't make it a safe place to talk about your feelings. You know, they're like, you need more faith or, you know, all the things and you're just like, um,
Kim Cannon (08:42.638)
It's true.
Scott Lapin (08:50.022)
That's why I'm here. You're not helping. So, but, um, so then where did you go? Excuse me. Like you said, you were married and didn't have the typical, um, college experience because you were obviously a young mom in college and all the things.
Kim Cannon (08:51.742)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's so true.
Kim Cannon (09:12.884)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (09:13.866)
So was there just, I guess at that point, just not time for God? When was your well moment with God? When did Jesus knock on your door and say, hey, I'm still here. I miss you.
Kim Cannon (09:27.658)
Yeah, so he, it was a very subtle, like he would bring different people into my life. So when I was, so I got pregnant before I got married, so I was pregnant at 20. I was engaged to be married, but got pregnant. And when I was pregnant with my son, my sister who was going to church with her husband said, you should go to church to give your kids morals. And I was like, yeah, maybe. I don't think so.
Scott Lapin (09:52.814)
Yeah.
Kim Cannon (09:54.142)
So then I kind of like pooh-poohed the idea, and then there were multiple times, like Jehovah's Witnesses would come to my door and speak different things that would just like, bring a little light of like, okay, I know that everything they believe is not correct, but God just used this person to touch something within me. And I remember there was also a, yeah, there was a Latter-day Saint, so we had a college nearby that was a Latter-day Saint college. And,
Scott Lapin (10:11.794)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (10:15.634)
That's so good.
Kim Cannon (10:23.374)
part of their homework or assignments was that they would have to go evangelize the neighborhoods. And there were these couple of kids that would show up at my doorstep. And I was just like, I'm gonna be, I was too nice, right? Like, yeah, I'll be nice, I'll talk to you. And I remember him, like my son came up to the door with me and he pointed at my son and he said, God loves you more than you love your son. And I was like, what? Like.
Scott Lapin (10:28.602)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (10:36.76)
Yeah.
Scott Lapin (10:49.424)
Hmm
Kim Cannon (10:51.174)
doesn't love me. Like if you knew anything about what I've been through, there's no way he could love me the way that I love my son. And so then when I was pregnant with my second son, my little boy, so like these little instances that kept happening was just getting my attention of like, God's still there and like giving me a new perspective. And then when I was pregnant with my second son, my marriage was so...
Scott Lapin (11:15.314)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Cannon (11:21.25)
dysfunctional, I guess. I was like grasping at straws of like, well, maybe if we go to church together, maybe there's something good that could come out of that. And maybe, so I started looking for a church again when I was pregnant with my second one and I had my two-year-old by my side. I was 22 and I probably look like I'm 16 because I've always looked younger than I am. And I got so many judgmental glares. And I was like, because my husband wasn't with me and they just looked at me like, you know, single mom, way too young to be having babies.
Scott Lapin (11:39.614)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (11:44.225)
Hmm.
Kim Cannon (11:51.614)
And I was like, I do not want to be any part of this. No way, no how, like I am not about to be judged. And so then completely gave up on the idea. Well, then college comes around. So I had been co-oping where I would go to school a semester, work a semester, and I was working at the steel mill and I wanted to get different experience. So I had put my resume in, the career center had not heard anything from anybody else. Finally, I'm supposed to go back to the mill. I hear from the utility company.
Scott Lapin (11:54.592)
Yeah.
Kim Cannon (12:21.262)
I start working for the utility company and they have, the assignment that they gave me, I had it done in like two weeks because it was something like identical to what I had already done at the mill. And so then I'm like, well, what am I gonna do now? So they partnered me up with one of their engineers that would drive around in the truck from substation to substation. And just so happens that his wife was a preschool teacher and I was looking for preschool and it was at the church.
Scott Lapin (12:32.493)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Cannon (12:47.57)
And so I was just thinking, hey, maybe I can check out the preschool for my son, had no intention of going to church and just the love and welcoming. And it was such a different experience that they were amazing, absolutely amazing. And so then I started through the preschool and then I, you know, they would have like different things at church on Sunday where the kids would be singing or whatever, and so I would start attending there. And then from that.
they had a Bible study after church for the adults while they had the kids go to their Sunday school. I was like, well, I guess I go to the Bible study. And I remember sitting there thinking, this is in the Bible? Growing up Catholic, I don't know if you, I never opened the Bible. Like we would hear stories, we would learn different things, but it was never like really get into the word and hear about the dysfunction that's in the Bible.
Scott Lapin (13:26.355)
Thanks for watching!
Scott Lapin (13:31.001)
Hahaha
Scott Lapin (13:35.495)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (13:41.074)
Yeah. Well, you're not, you're not encouraged to. I've had conversations years ago with people and I said something to somebody, I don't need to read my Bible. Anything I need to know, my priest will tell me. And I'm like, Oh, pretty sure that's not what Jesus had in mind, you know. But circling back a little bit, because I had the thought,
Kim Cannon (14:01.282)
Hmm? Yeah, yeah.
Scott Lapin (14:08.738)
I think it's beautiful that God used the different quote denominations and faiths and cults, occult or not occult, be cults, you know, just the different obscure, believing people, you know, because
Kim Cannon (14:28.872)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (14:30.938)
because they do their beliefs are different and you know the Jehovah witnesses and the Mormon like they rewrite their Bible every eight years or whatever it is to make it make it more accurate and they add books and all the things and yet you hurt Father's heart for you in that because ultimately we're all doing the best we can.
Kim Cannon (14:39.437)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (14:54.406)
to hear the Father Heart of God, you know? The Baptists, the Methodists, the Catholics, the Jehovah's Witness, the Mormon, like everybody, we're all doing it. And I don't think, there are some that are more kingdom than others, but I don't think anyone has.
Kim Cannon (15:00.622)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (15:13.314)
you know, the monopoly on what the Father Heart of God looks like. And I think it's really cool that even though you decided, you know, the XYZ of the Catholic Church wasn't good enough, you know, not wasn't good enough, um, just wasn't getting it done. You know, it wasn't feeding your spirit that you weren't hardened toward God.
Kim Cannon (15:32.658)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (15:42.19)
you just didn't want to do the other things. You know, jump through the loops. Cause I had the same thing. It's like my dad died when I was 15. And these people, I don't even remember who they were. I just know they showed up in a Corvette one night and was gonna take me and my sister to Awanas with their two kids. I didn't know these people. I'm assuming they were my mother's friends. I don't know. Never saw them before. And I went and...
It was like a Methodist church or something. We had no grade. I grew up with God. Not my parents were atheists, but God just wasn't a thing. And.
Kim Cannon (16:15.374)
Okay.
Scott Lapin (16:19.082)
And so we did that and I'm like, no, whatever. And then later on I went to, I think the same Toronto when I was in high school. And I'm like, I'm selling weed to these high schoolers on Friday night. Why am I gonna go play these games on Sunday and Wednesday, having to be whatever? I wasn't opposed to God. I was opposed to the games and the hypocrisy and the.
you know why am I gonna jump through these hoops to be all perfect and whatever when you just swapped me some beer for some weed you know I mean I just don't I don't I don't know that's just me so
Kim Cannon (16:59.466)
Yeah, that's so true. Yeah, we have that image of what the church people are and we don't understand that. Like we are all human. We all have that stuff that, and when you truly meet Jesus and that change happens. And for me, like I started going to church and then, but I was still in the party scene. My husband had nothing to do with it. And it was like, I was like in this torn, like, okay, Sunday mornings we're gonna do this, but we're gonna get really drunk the night before.
Scott Lapin (17:09.07)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (17:24.581)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (17:28.314)
Mm-hmm. Hopefully you don't go to church hungover on Sunday Because that's the what's the worst when you're sitting in the pew Wishing that you could just close your eyes or go vomit or something and you're you have to sit there Because it's the good thing to do Been there
Kim Cannon (17:29.274)
And I remember... Sometimes I...
Kim Cannon (17:42.057)
Yeah.
Kim Cannon (17:49.375)
Yeah. So I remember it was New Year's Eve, so from 2000 to 2001. And we went and partied with my husband's coworkers, and it was at his brother's house, so we worked with his brother, and it was at his brother's house. We stayed the night there because we got stupid drunk. The kids were with Grandma. And that night I did a lot of really stupid stuff that I would not normally do if I was not drunk. And...
Scott Lapin (18:14.196)
Yeah
Kim Cannon (18:14.694)
the next day we're driving back to pick up the kids and he's teasing me about stuff that I had done and I just bust into tears and I was like I'm going to hell and he's like what are you talking about and I said this isn't the life God has for me and instantly I just felt something come upon me I didn't have words for it I know now that it was Holy Spirit right that was my conversion point of like no this isn't the life that I have for you I have so much more so much better and
Scott Lapin (18:25.118)
I don't know.
Scott Lapin (18:30.856)
Mmm.
Scott Lapin (18:36.734)
Mm-hmm. Come on.
Kim Cannon (18:44.386)
I am going to help you navigate that. And it was so like instantly, I started seeing everything completely different. Like I remember prior to that, I was so stressed out with school, getting good grades. And it was like, after that I was like, God, you got me. Like I'm prepared, I'm ready. And it was just like such a different, I saw things completely different. And the really odd thing is I stopped swearing. Not that it bothered me. Like it wasn't intentional I'm gonna stop swearing, but it's like, I...
Scott Lapin (19:00.703)
Hmm
Scott Lapin (19:08.818)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Cannon (19:13.022)
it just went away. And I remember my husband asked me about that. I remember my husband asking me like, why don't you swear anymore? And I was like, I don't know. It wasn't intentional. I mean, I still like today, I would probably swear here and there, but like it used to be, like every other word was an F-bomb or, you know, it was just so different. And, and just the, the transformation. And I no longer had any desire to drink alcohol.
Scott Lapin (19:15.778)
Yeah, I haven't had that encounter yet.
Scott Lapin (19:27.13)
That's funny.
Scott Lapin (19:35.532)
Yeah.
Scott Lapin (19:42.29)
Yeah.
Kim Cannon (19:42.322)
it was just gone. And I was like, this is really weird. I don't understand any of it. And today, I'll drink a glass of wine. But there was just a season where I was like, no, I don't need that. I'm figuring out what life God has for me because what I've been doing is not what He has intended for me. So that was a season.
Scott Lapin (19:47.451)
Hmm.
Scott Lapin (19:52.605)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (20:06.922)
Interesting. So that was like your well moment. So in that, let's dive a little bit. Were there particular things that he told you? Were there prophetic words that you might have gotten? That kind of thing. Because at the well, he had conversation with her.
Kim Cannon (20:10.837)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (20:31.55)
And she's like, okay, it's obvious you know who I am, you know, it all about me. We're, was there any of that kind of processing that has stayed with you that has helped you through?
Kim Cannon (20:42.798)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, what's really interesting is that I heard him, but I didn't recognize that I was hearing him. Like, things would come to mind, and it was like I just, like, different things that I would know. There would be times where I'd wake up in the middle of the night and just open up the Bible randomly and here's the scripture, exactly what I needed for whatever the situation was. But not having that prophetic background. So the church that I was at, it was non-denominational, but there was never any talk about prophetic or...
Scott Lapin (20:51.45)
Okay.
Scott Lapin (21:00.616)
Hmm.
Scott Lapin (21:12.026)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Cannon (21:12.278)
like hearing God. And I remember, so when we, so that would have been January 2001, we moved to Wisconsin. So I lived in Indiana, we moved to Wisconsin in June of 2001. January 2001. I don't know if I said 2021. I might have got the date. So January. Okay, January of 01 is when that happened. So 1101 is my spiritual birthday. And then
Scott Lapin (21:31.01)
You did. You said 21. Yeah.
Scott Lapin (21:38.696)
Huh.
Kim Cannon (21:39.814)
June we moved to Wisconsin and I remember thinking like I'm never gonna find a church that's gonna be the same welcoming all of that plugged into a church and through that I started taking a bunch of different classes that they offered and I found the more academic I got the less I Heard from him and if I heard from him, I dismissed it like oh the ex the experts are saying this I Must be wrong because I'm so new in my faith
Scott Lapin (21:58.75)
Hmm.
Scott Lapin (22:05.124)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Cannon (22:08.386)
but I can look back now and I can see how he guided me 100%. And as long as I would stay out of that academic, like I would hear him so much better, but if I would get too academic, too logical, like this is what this is, and this is what you're supposed to do, and more of that religion, this is what we do, versus the experience of he knows me better than I know myself.
Scott Lapin (22:17.159)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (22:24.058)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (22:28.707)
Yeah.
Scott Lapin (22:33.851)
Yeah.
Kim Cannon (22:34.27)
allow him to speak to me in the ways that he speaks to me. And it's gonna be unique for every person. It's gonna be unique in every situation. And so when I realized that I was losing that, so I journeyed with him about a year before I really started second guessing like what I was hearing. And then I would, I remember hearing, I took a how to study the Bible class and they basically...
Scott Lapin (22:38.739)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Cannon (23:00.662)
said, you are never to just randomly open the Bible and take what you read. And I was like, oh no, I've been doing this wrong for so long. Cuz so many times God talked to me that way. And I was like.
Scott Lapin (23:05.403)
What?
Scott Lapin (23:10.998)
Yeah, yeah, I absolutely hate when teachers or leaders, they make an absolute like that. You should never do this and you should never do that. And there's, A, there's no grace for anybody. They obviously do not understand the character and nature of God and Holy Spirit and how they talk and how they communicate. And as you're talking, I'm sitting here thinking, you know,
Kim Cannon (23:24.13)
Mm-hmm
Scott Lapin (23:39.578)
because you talked about the more academic you got, the less you gave credit to this as being God's voice. And that's probably because you're like academic in your head anyway, being an engineer, you're formulaic in everything. And so as soon as you have a formula for God, you don't need God, you know? And so he hindered you from having a formula, you know? But then there are those leaders that were around you that said,
Kim Cannon (23:51.38)
Uh-huh.
Kim Cannon (24:03.946)
Yeah, absolutely. Yep.
Scott Lapin (24:09.542)
you couldn't do it without a formula, you know? And that's, that's a hard place to be. I mean, that's, that's the frustrating thing for me about just religion and people in an office of teacher or apostle, prophet, whatever, is that most people in those positions have their dogma and it's
Kim Cannon (24:14.591)
Yeah.
Scott Lapin (24:36.43)
like you can't deviate from that and that's their message and that's their thing and you're just like yeah but you're not leaving room for holy spirit or personalities of people you know you're not meeting your formula is not allowing people to be people so
Kim Cannon (24:50.007)
It's so true.
Kim Cannon (24:55.71)
Absolutely. And the recognition that I've had over this time is that if I put a formula to it, then I no longer need God. And He is all about the relationship. You know, He's going to confuse my formula on purpose to bring me back to Him. 100%. And there's been so many times like, if I do A plus B, I should get C. And it's like, okay, I did A and B and I'm not getting C. What the heck?
Scott Lapin (25:03.29)
Yeah.
Scott Lapin (25:09.174)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (25:16.801)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (25:22.235)
Yeah, he does that. I'm that way. Just because I like I like checklists and okay, if I do a then B that you know, there is a progression that this has happened. There is a rhythm to things there. You know, there's a way things need to be done. And so that's, that's the fight I have because the more I try, you know, it's like,
I strive to be at rest, you know, because that's a vicious cycle right there. It's like, okay, I just got to be calm. Let me make everything perfect so I can be calm. And then to get caught up in all of that. And it's like, the more I try and the harder I try, the less I hear, the less peace I have. And so it's been a hard road, but I've just, I, I.
Kim Cannon (26:03.262)
Yeah.
Scott Lapin (26:17.038)
My everyday with God looks different every day because I cannot have, I cannot set my alarm, get up, go sit with my Bible and coffee. I don't drink coffee, but my Bible and whatever at 7 45 to 8 15 and, you know, and check it off my list because, because it becomes a checklist.
Kim Cannon (26:20.598)
I'm sorry.
Kim Cannon (26:39.638)
Right, and the thing that I've recognized too is, like in my seasons, right, when I was going through a bunch of marriage stuff, I would journal a ton. I had my prayer journal, I would spend time with God. I was, it was all about, like that was my survival mode. I could not have made it without that, like without that in my life in that season because I had nothing else. I was grasping at straws. I was like, okay, God, you can change him anytime. And God's like, no, we're gonna change you first.
Scott Lapin (26:49.559)
Yeah.
Scott Lapin (27:07.446)
Mm-hmm. I hear ya.
Kim Cannon (27:10.282)
And so then sitting down and having that, but then the recognition of every season in life is gonna be different. Like I had carved out time to make that happen, but then as the kids got older, life got busier, I had to learn how to connect with him in different ways. Like I cannot have that time every single day, but I still need that connection. So what does that look like, Lord? Show me how I can connect with you in the midst of my day to day. When I'm running errands, when I'm working, when I'm like,
Scott Lapin (27:33.488)
Yeah.
Kim Cannon (27:38.366)
Some of the best times is when I'm doing mindless activities at work that's just very, you know, you don't really have to have much brain power. I'll put worship music in and like, okay, this is feeding me, this is connecting me. And there's other times where I'll find myself just walking the hallways and I'm praying under my breath and I'm like, oh, interesting, probably people are thinking I'm super crazy. But it's like catching those moments with him because we don't always have the time to.
Scott Lapin (27:50.21)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (27:59.559)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Cannon (28:08.366)
sit down with him and be so devoted. But we also, it's important, right? We can't neglect it completely. But we can't put a formula, a rigid like, oh, you're not as holy as I am because you don't spend every morning with God.
Scott Lapin (28:16.485)
Yeah.
Scott Lapin (28:23.366)
Right, could you not tarry one hour? Not today, you know? But that's the beauty of having the revelation when we truly understand Trinity and Christology of
Trinity is in us and we do not have to look outside of ourselves for anything, including quiet time or connection time, whatever you want to call it.
we don't have to sit and meditate for two hours a day. I mean, yay, if you can. When I had my art studio before I just closed it, there were days where I went in and I had three and four hours where I would just sit with my eyes closed with soaking music on. And I would just contemplate and be in the presence or I would sit and I would journal for two hours, three hours.
And that's great. And I still love that there are those times when we need to become separate from the everyday. But being able to walk around your hallway, do laundry, the woman at the well, she was getting water. Just everyday tasks. We don't know why she was there at noon and I dare anybody and I challenge anybody to tell me why she was there at noon because we don't know, right?
And there he was in conversation, you know, and to understand that it's just about positioning our heart and go, where are you today? Where are you right now, Jesus? You know, I've got a friend who talks about how he'll...
Kim Cannon (30:10.56)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (30:23.538)
get up and like go for a walk or something and he'll stick out his hand and he'll ask Jesus to hold his hand while he's walking from one office to the other. Jesus, will you walk with me? And he said, more often than not, he will feel Jesus put his hand in his hand. It's not a big thing. We're not at seminary, we're not at, you know, synagogue, we're not in church on a Sunday. And yet it's about turning our heart and going, there you are.
Kim Cannon (30:39.47)
Mm-hmm, that's awesome.
Kim Cannon (30:46.786)
Yeah.
Kim Cannon (30:52.756)
Uh huh.
Scott Lapin (30:53.082)
Because we're not, they're not the ones that went away anywhere. We're the ones that get busy in our schedule. We get lost in our mind. We get separated in our thoughts. Girls, sorry I started preaching on your podcast. Ha ha ha.
Kim Cannon (31:02.242)
Mm hmm. Absolutely. No, absolutely. No, and I think about like, what comes what happens like when you're so intertwined with him throughout your day, you can bring him to that meeting where there's hard things you need to talk about. And you can tap into that, okay, Holy Spirit, what's your perspective on the situation? You can be a light in the dark world, because you have that connection. And you don't have to be weird about it. Like,
Scott Lapin (31:18.775)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (31:23.654)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (31:26.988)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Cannon (31:31.446)
You can speak life without quoting scripture. Right, and just the recognition of He, when our relationship with Him is solid, it's just gonna come out, it's gonna be part of who we are.
Scott Lapin (31:31.646)
Thanks for watching!
Scott Lapin (31:37.006)
Sounding like the Pope.
Scott Lapin (31:49.89)
And that's the key right there. Yeah.
Kim Cannon (31:53.182)
Yeah, yeah, and it's not, and it's gonna look different for everybody, right? So what you do versus what I do versus whatever, we can never compare ourselves to somebody else. And oh my gosh, they have it all put together. Because it's funny, you realize, like, there's people in my world, like in my journey, as I've walked, I'm like, oh my gosh, they have it all together. They're so perfect. And like, the more you know about them, the more you get to them, like, now they're just as messed up as I am.
Scott Lapin (32:15.466)
Mm-hmm. I'm like, damn, I didn't know that. Okay, all right. I just moved you to a different circle of life here. Yeah.
Kim Cannon (32:22.894)
Yeah, and it's like so much it's like oh my gosh, they're so perfect I want to be them and then you're like no I really don't want that life because it's they're going through it too, right? So I think for so many women though it comes down to I am not good enough. I Can't do that They've been silenced their whole life They are put in a box of you're not worthy. You can't do this. You can't handle this It's interesting one of my
Scott Lapin (32:27.518)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (32:31.866)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (32:39.09)
Yeah.
Scott Lapin (32:44.431)
Yeah.
Kim Cannon (32:51.094)
my spiritual mentors, my spiritual mother, I would meet with her every Saturday morning and she was in her seventies, I think. Eventually her husband passes away and she's talking about like, I don't know how I'm gonna pay my bills, I don't know how to take care of my car, I don't like all of these things. And I was like, oh my gosh, like in my world, I'm the one paying the bills, I'm the one like, it's just like my husband and I share duties very equally and for her to be in that.
Scott Lapin (33:09.36)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (33:14.901)
Hahaha
Scott Lapin (33:18.546)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Cannon (33:20.906)
that mindset of like the culture, the generation she was from, like women didn't do any of that stuff. So then when husband passes away, she's like, I don't even know what to do. And it really caught my attention of like, what are the things in our world where we have to depend on Holy Spirit more, that we're learning something new, that we're, because that's when she really started walking in a very different way. Like her spiritual walk took on a whole different, she always used to
Scott Lapin (33:27.837)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (33:31.39)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Cannon (33:50.862)
Jesus is my husband now. And I'm gonna go to Jesus and ask Jesus how to do this. And so it was just, you know, the mindset of we have that, we can tap into that, like anything new.
Scott Lapin (33:53.085)
Oh, that's fun.
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (34:02.858)
Yeah, yeah, there was this awesome lady and I was watching her video yesterday and she was talking about the Cinderella syndrome. It was you. I was watching the KLM video. Yeah, talk about that for a second because you alluded to that and it's how like we, we as women are, I guess, pre-conditioned.
Kim Cannon (34:11.823)
Hahaha
Kim Cannon (34:21.267)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Cannon (34:25.963)
Uh-huh.
Kim Cannon (34:30.283)
Yes.
Scott Lapin (34:30.79)
to rely on men.
Kim Cannon (34:34.358)
Yes, and there is a book out there. It's called The Cinderella Complex, I believe is what it's called. And it was like written in the early eighties. And in my research, I was looking at basically, you know, in the seventies, the women's liberation, like all of these women are now, they have all of this freedom, but they would still be holding themselves back. And the more research they did, they discovered that young boys are encouraged to be independent from their parents.
Scott Lapin (34:39.363)
Yeah.
Scott Lapin (35:02.692)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Cannon (35:03.954)
young girls are encouraged to be dependent on others. And so even though they now have all of this independence, they don't have the skills and ability, like they've never practiced it. So it's so important to be able to allow our children to find what they're good at and not fit them into a box of no, you have to be this, no, you have to be that, no, you can't do this, no, like
Scott Lapin (35:08.144)
Mm.
Kim Cannon (35:29.438)
Okay, Lord, who did you just create and how do I parent that? And I realized, yeah, realizing parenting boys, parenting girls looked very different. They were very different. And I remember being so strict. I was like, my boys can't play with guns. And you know, I had that whole Christian mindset of like, we don't want them to be violent. And I'm like, they would just make believe, like they would find a gun in anything. Right, like that's their nature, they're protectors.
Scott Lapin (35:33.229)
Right
Scott Lapin (35:46.965)
Oh man.
Scott Lapin (35:53.854)
their fingers. I mean, come on. Yeah.
Kim Cannon (35:58.75)
Right there. And so we are we are created differently. But it doesn't mean that one cannot do something versus another. It's what is the gifting? What are their interests? And when I when I realized that research and, you know, just thinking about, well, that was how many years ago, do we still have that today? And the recognition, I have held myself back in meetings in conversations in the man's world of engineering, I have held myself back of like,
Scott Lapin (36:08.995)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (36:23.421)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Cannon (36:27.946)
No, I'll just wait until they give me permission to talk. When they ask me my opinion, I'll give it to them. That's not what we should be doing.
Scott Lapin (36:30.876)
Mm.
Scott Lapin (36:37.006)
So in that because I mean, for all intents and purposes, you're in a man's world, you know, sadly, because women don't get recognized, and they're not taken seriously, and never have been for their brains. How does God encourage you in that? How how? What are some of the things? I mean, it's good.
Kim Cannon (36:44.814)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Cannon (36:54.775)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (37:03.114)
I get you're strong and you can say, you know, I know who I am in God. But we can all say that. But how do you walk that out? How do you walk out your personal vision statement, your power, identity statement in. The guys club.
Kim Cannon (37:24.398)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, it has definitely been a work in progress. So probably about five to seven years ago, he had me at a woman's conference. The speaker asks us to write the word, the first word that comes to mind, and fearless came to mind. And then she goes on to speak and she's like, okay, that word that you wrote down, that's what God's gonna be working on in you. And I was like, fearless? I thought that I already was fearless. It was just, he kept pointing out every situation where I was operating out of fear.
Scott Lapin (37:39.623)
Hmm.
Kim Cannon (37:54.05)
Like if I choose to do this with my kids, am I gonna mess them up? What are people gonna think? Like in my parenting, there was fear. In my day-to-day, there was fear. So it was just that, it was really a gradual, like no, I have something to offer. I can bring this. And I absolutely am in a great place of employment. So I don't see it as much as like some of my other places I've worked, but it's still here and there.
Scott Lapin (37:59.24)
Hmm.
Kim Cannon (38:20.15)
But to live out, the other thing that I've recognized too is that as a woman, I have had to put in like 110% where a guy could put in like 90% and get the same recognition as my 110%. Yes, and so for me, it's like to be like, okay, Lord, like give me the power and strength and courage to speak up what I need to speak up to, to say.
Scott Lapin (38:31.422)
Yeah, or more. Yeah.
Kim Cannon (38:45.13)
when I feel that there has been an injustice in the situation. And he is so with me in all of that. And I see how I have ruffled feathers. And I remember one time there was, so I was the functional manager of a team. And there was a promotion that was going to happen at one of our other design centers. And so there was an interview process. Or like, they have to present a certain portion. And then there was like a Q&A portion for them to get to this principle level of engineering.
And it was a woman. And so this was a rare thing for a woman to be in that principal role. And she gets her presentation, talks about all the great things that she's done and she's accomplished. And then after she leaves the room, so it was a virtual setting, after she leaves the room, the functional managers at the different design centers are talking about, what do we think? Is she ready to boop up to that next level as principal engineer? Talking through, is it, is she truly ready?
Scott Lapin (39:42.468)
Uh huh.
Kim Cannon (39:43.858)
And I remember one of the guys spoke up and said, she has done so many great things. I just wish that she would speak up about it. And everything in me was like, you guys have no idea the pressure that's put on a young girl to stay quiet. And they carry that into their adulthood. They carry that into their career. So you cannot fault her because society has conditioned her to not speak up.
Scott Lapin (39:53.132)
Hmm.
Scott Lapin (40:00.144)
Yeah.
Kim Cannon (40:11.97)
not take credit, not to stand out. That is not encouraged for young women. It's not encouraged for little girls. Like I think back to one of my, one of my aha moments that I had with God was, you know, like I was like, God, why do I have such a hard time using my voice? And he brought me to this memory where I was riding around on my tricycle, I was probably like four or five. And I'm barking orders being the leader that I am.
Scott Lapin (40:18.183)
Yeah.
Scott Lapin (40:39.462)
Hmm. Hehe.
Kim Cannon (40:40.71)
telling people how to play, how to not play, which isn't necessarily a good leadership. You know, you're young, you don't know the difference. But I remember as I'm like saying things, one of the adults that were nearby spoke up and said, oh this squeaky wheel gets the oil. And it was very derogatory towards me of like, I'm just, you know, and I didn't understand it, but I knew that whatever I had been doing wasn't okay. Like I picked up on those vibes.
Scott Lapin (40:46.227)
Okay. Bye.
Scott Lapin (41:02.011)
Mm.
Scott Lapin (41:07.006)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Cannon (41:09.482)
And in that moment, I silenced myself and I'm four or five years old, didn't even realize I did it. And it was like years later, so 40 years later probably when I'm having this prayer time with God, I'm like, God, why do I have such a hard time speaking up in meetings? Why do I have such a hard time using my voice? And he brought that back to me and he was like, you were never meant to be silenced. And there are so many women that have been silenced and they don't even realize that they have.
Scott Lapin (41:14.993)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Cannon (41:39.754)
and they defer to others and they, oh, I could never do that. And oh, we are so powerful. We have so much that people don't even realize we carry. And we need, and doing it in an honoring way, like we don't have to bash the men for us to shine, right? Yeah.
Scott Lapin (41:51.352)
Yeah.
Scott Lapin (41:59.486)
Come on. Yes, that's so good.
Kim Cannon (42:05.33)
And I so many, like I think about it's cute because my daughters who are like 21 and 19, right? So the whole feminist movement that's in existence today. Just like, yes.
Scott Lapin (42:16.57)
Is it really? They're bullies. I don't know that they actually are operating in the true definition of feminism. It is they are just being bullies with no identity.
Kim Cannon (42:24.194)
They're not. Yes, and so we'll have those conversations and they're like, well, mom, you're a feminist, aren't you? And I'm like, no, I don't think I am. I, yeah. And they're like, well, what's the difference? And just explaining that, like, we can have value, men can have value. And when we come together in our strengths, we can be an unstoppable team. And that's what I've seen with.
Scott Lapin (42:36.362)
Not by your definition, anyway.
Kim Cannon (42:52.038)
more and more women in engineering now at our company and the project teams that work so well together and the strengths of the women, the strengths of the men, they come together. They are unstoppable in problem solving and creating all of the things that are research and development, creating a product, getting a product out in market. They are an amazing team.
Scott Lapin (43:07.717)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Cannon (43:18.518)
So, yes, but it's recognizing that I carry that. It's recognizing it's okay for me to speak. It's okay for me to not go along with what they're saying. Yes, I just have so many stories of like, I remember when I first became a manager of the engineering team, one of my peers, one of the managers that were leading a different team.
Scott Lapin (43:34.266)
Keep telling. Go ahead.
Kim Cannon (43:48.398)
Fundamentally, we had such different leadership styles. And everything in me was like, I am cringing at the way that you're treating or talking about your team. And it was just this back and forth of like, they're all about control and I'm all about empower. And huge difference. And I'm just like, it's so.
Scott Lapin (44:08.535)
Big difference. Yeah.
Kim Cannon (44:14.83)
old school, it's so unhealthy. And the more research you see, the more of our natural tendencies of how we lead as women is what businesses need. We need the connection. So I recently came across so being in the learning and development department now, so I've kind of journeyed in my career, following my passions. And I came across some research and they were talking about what they're calling human leadership. And it's all about influencing. And it's about
empathy and it's about connecting human to human and I'm like that's what we do as women right like yes you see them as a person not just I am your boss and you are my subordinate and you're going to do as I say like and that's what the people need that especially coming out of COVID they there's just such a different dynamic in the business world and
Scott Lapin (44:52.286)
Mm-hmm. We nurture. You nurture other people. Yeah.
Scott Lapin (45:00.997)
Yeah.
Scott Lapin (45:04.739)
Yeah.
Kim Cannon (45:12.566)
more and more studies are showing that they don't have enough people to step up and lead in the way that they need to be led. And I know that I know that I know that we carry it as women naturally, but we need to let go of everything that has been put on us that doesn't belong there. So I'm convinced that when we're born, we have the DNA we need. We have everything within us to fulfill that calling. As we continue to grow, people start putting stuff on us.
Scott Lapin (45:16.668)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (45:22.724)
Yeah.
Scott Lapin (45:33.284)
Yep.
Kim Cannon (45:39.562)
honest that doesn't really belong or they start taking stuff away from us that should be there. And so for us as we mature it's to find those things that are missing that used to be there like I need that back and then getting rid of the things that they don't belong there they never should have been put on you. And that is when we realize that we have what we need and we're able to walk in it as leaders we're unstoppable.
Scott Lapin (45:57.191)
Yeah.
Scott Lapin (46:07.314)
Yeah, well, that's true. And I think we'll kind of land that here because that's it. That's a good place. Because the woman at the well, her empowerment came. I think she knew everything like already go like
Samaritans and Jews were different in their education and like women could be she was really educated Like she challenged Jesus from the get-go. Who are you to be? I'm like she didn't run and hide She didn't be like, oh, I'm sorry, sir. I'll go away, you know Um, he didn't have to ask her to stay or anything. She was a very confident powerful woman because Just of the conversations and the things that she had with him
and going, okay, it's obvious you know about me. And then she says later on, when she went to go away, she was like, hey, come listen to this man. He told me everything. So she already was self-aware. You know, I mean, you can't, she had to be of some age because to have five husbands.
Kim Cannon (47:21.454)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (47:23.622)
there had to be some history here. Even if you did get married when you were 12 and 13 years old back then, five husbands, unless they like all died within weeks of each other, that's a significant lifetime. So she wasn't like 15, you know?
Kim Cannon (47:25.88)
Yeah.
Kim Cannon (47:30.071)
Right.
Kim Cannon (47:39.134)
Yes, and something just totally clicked as you were talking about that. So I remember hearing a sermon about the women on the well and how in that time the women had no choice. They could not get a divorce. If for her to have five husbands, if they divorced her, they were rejecting her, right? And so it's not that, you know, we have a very different image today of like somebody who's been divorced five times. And like if you think about
Scott Lapin (47:57.013)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (48:04.142)
Are you on here?
Kim Cannon (48:06.134)
the rejection she encountered over and over and over again. And as you're saying that she was an educated woman, she was a confident woman, and was it that she was not fitting into that mold of what a wife should be, that they're like, you're no good. I can't do anything with you. Hmm. Ha ha ha.
Scott Lapin (48:15.687)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (48:23.198)
Uh huh. I think she was a rebel. I really do because you can't stand as a woman in front of a Samaritan woman, woman too, Samaritan strike two right there, in front of Jesus and go, she's like, how are you going to drink? You don't even have a bucket. You know? I mean like she challenged him right out of the gate.
Kim Cannon (48:38.616)
and
Scott Lapin (48:47.322)
You know, like, okay, dude, you're at my well. And you got, you know, and so just realizing, like you said, the things that people say and the things that we believe in ourselves and all of the men or women.
Kim Cannon (48:47.626)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Cannon (48:51.171)
Ha ha!
Scott Lapin (49:06.306)
you know, I mean all of the labels that were put on her, even now to some thousand years later, you know, she was a prostitute. No, she was not a prostitute, you know, she who knows why she was at the well at noon. Maybe she washed clothes and this was her third trip to the well that day. We don't know, you know, and which is why I'm so against judging. Just don't judge people because
Kim Cannon (49:09.848)
And huh.
Kim Cannon (49:16.915)
Mm-mm, yep.
Kim Cannon (49:27.095)
Huh?
Kim Cannon (49:35.964)
Right, and you talk about that you don't know her life. We talk about, you know, you see somebody you're like, oh they have the perfect life when you realize no they don't. Like we don't know anything about that person's life so we can't judge at all.
Scott Lapin (49:36.745)
But the...
Scott Lapin (49:42.862)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (49:46.566)
Exactly and especially with like social media and stuff. We know what people want us to know Good or bad. Some people put all their trash on them. I'm like, bro You did not need to post that we did not need to know all of that, you know, but the but the whole point in it is Our identities have to come from Jesus our giftings
Kim Cannon (49:52.438)
Mm-hmm.
Scott Lapin (50:14.514)
our purposes, our passions have to come through the revelation of Jesus Christ. We have to see ourselves through the lens of how the Trinity sees us, how Jesus sees us, how we were made in the beginning of time, knit together in our womb, apple in his eye, all the things. And we spend so much of our time...
Kim Cannon (50:21.123)
That's right.
Scott Lapin (50:42.506)
you know, way back like you were in the beginning at 13, oh, well, you're broken. You're you're damaged goods. You can't do X, Y, Z. And it took you, you know, 30 some odd years later to go, oh, I'm not trash. Oh, I'm not broken. I got a little bit of smudge, but all I need is the water of Jesus to wash over me. And I'm good to go.
Kim Cannon (50:57.922)
Yep.
Kim Cannon (51:08.111)
Yep, yep, absolutely. And there's so much freedom that comes with that when you realize, I'm good. Like regardless of good, bad, indifferent, everything that's happened in my life, I'm still good. 100%.
Scott Lapin (51:12.002)
you know? So good.
Scott Lapin (51:19.599)
Uh huh.
Scott Lapin (51:25.026)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, because Jesus ain't going nowhere and he's not going to stop loving me and I'm doing the best I can And I think that's the key to You gotta be doing the best you can You know, you can't just think living a jacked-up shit life and blaming God for what was me You know God look at I'm sitting in a trailer and I was like, yeah, okay. I didn't put you there, you know
Kim Cannon (51:33.306)
Uh huh. That's true.
Kim Cannon (51:51.262)
Yeah, it's true.
Scott Lapin (51:51.514)
Anyway, that's a whole nother crazy rant I could go off on that we blame God for the things when we make no effort on our own So we have to be doing the best we can and like I said earlier with our hearts Position toward God like God. I don't know what this looks like But I need you to show up in my life not that he went anywhere but it's our perspective on him
Kim Cannon (52:01.866)
Yeah.
Kim Cannon (52:09.553)
Okay.
Scott Lapin (52:18.242)
And I know it's become a cliche word, but okay, Jesus, I need you to manifest in my life. I need to see your goodness in my life. I need to hear your words of love and affirmation in my heart right now. You know, and that's all he's asking. We don't have to dress ourselves up and clean our, we can't save ourselves. You know, he already did that and we have to acknowledge that.
Kim Cannon (52:30.915)
Okay.
Kim Cannon (52:38.332)
Uh-uh.
Kim Cannon (52:42.743)
Yes.
Scott Lapin (52:43.138)
So with that said, landing number two. What would be some encouragement? One or two, one thing of encouragement that you'd like to leave with the listeners. Men and women, you know, whatever. What would be some good song? Good nugget.
Kim Cannon (52:56.726)
Mm hmm. Yeah. So a motto that have that I've come to live is once you become fearless, life becomes limitless. We hold our backs so many times out of fear. So remove those remove those shackles and recognize that the perfect love casts out fear. And perfect love is Jesus. So that is probably nugget number one.
Scott Lapin (53:08.527)
Oh, come on.
Kim Cannon (53:27.507)
And the second one is really identifying who you are meant to be and being okay with exploring and that self-reflection time of you know if you're in a conversation with somebody like oh that just triggered me like there was some kind of weird emotional thing that just happened there spending that time to think about and like where did this even come from why am I reacting the way
Kim Cannon (53:56.842)
ourselves and for us to be able to fit where we're supposed to fit in the world and do what we're meant to do we have to be able to shed the things that don't belong and find the things that are missing and bring that back and ask Holy Spirit I need that I need it back I know that I had it at one time I need it again I know that that's supposed to be there but for some reason it was stolen from me right so I think that's like the two key things is fearlessness.
Scott Lapin (54:09.595)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Scott Lapin (54:23.226)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Cannon (54:26.954)
and self-reflection, not being afraid to look at our lives and what has affected us.
Scott Lapin (54:31.818)
Mm-hmm. Which is also being fearless. Being fearless of self-discovery. You know, that's my big thing is self-awareness, self-discovery, take all the tests, do all the things, get all the healing. To have conversations with yourself, argue with yourself. Figure out who you are, what you want, what you don't want, what you like, what you don't like.
Kim Cannon (54:49.806)
Thanks for watching!
Kim Cannon (54:54.14)
Oh.
Scott Lapin (54:58.906)
all the things and stop being bullied by society. Well, mic drop, let's do this. Alright, so thank you Kim for being on here. This is really fun. I really enjoyed it.
Kim Cannon (55:03.382)
Yes.
Kim Cannon (55:09.911)
You're welcome.
Kim Cannon (55:13.639)
I had a great time. Thank you.
Scott Lapin (55:16.578)
So, all right, so thank you listeners for being on today. I hope you walked away with just a handful of nuggets that'll get you through today, get you through tomorrow and maybe become your well moment and have that conversation. Do some self-searching and just sit with some of the things that you might've heard today. And if you have questions, hit me up. You can email melissa at afterthewell.org or
Comment in the show notes wherever you listen to this we check those If you have any questions about anything that you heard today Feel free to Contact me Don't be a Karen about it if you didn't agree with something but we can't have a conversation if that's the case Yeah until next time I appreciate you guys listening and would appreciate some likes some loves some comments and
help me get through the algorithm of all the places that in games we have to play nowadays to be a relevant podcast because I want my friends voices to be heard because there's some good stuff being said. So with that, I bid you farewell.
Kim Cannon (56:23.842)
So true.
